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The Referendum For Change
A Borough On The Brink Of Term Limits

By RICHARD SCHACK

By this time next year, the city will have a new mayor and comptroller, and Queens will have a new borough president, but a bill introduced into the City Council last week has cast a doubt on whether or not Queens’ council-members will stay on the list of term limited positions.

What Happened?

The decision to impose term limits on members of the city council and the borough presidents was made by the people of Queens and the rest of New York.

Two referenda on term limits were included on voting machines in 1993 and 1996.

The first referendum was on the ballot in 1993. The new law, limiting New York City councilmembers to two consecutive four-year terms, was voted in by the public.

In 1996, Council Speaker Peter Vallone introduced a second referendum on the ballot that would have "staggered" the law, extending it to three, four-year terms. This referendum was turned down by voters.

The New Bill

Last week, a bill was introduced by councilmembers which said that in the good interest of the citizens of New York, the vote of the people needed to be changed by the legislator.

The complete text of the bill is reprinted below.

In order to overturn term limits, the City Council must clear some hurdles. First, the City Council’s Government Operations Committee must call a public hearing to approve or disapprove the bill. No public hearing has been scheduled yet.

The Government Operations Committee is made of nine council-members, which is chaired by Brooklyn Council Member Mary Pinkett.

One of the councilmembers may call for a motion to discharge, in which case the bill goes straight to the council.

Whether the bill gets approved by the committee or gets sent straight to the full council, the bill must obtain 26 council-member votes to pass.

If the bill gets passed by the council, it then must go to Mayor Giuliani to be cleared. Giuliani may do one of three things. He may ignore the bill, sign it into law, or veto it. If Giuliani ignores the bill for more than 30 days, then it gets signed into law. If Giuliani should veto the bill, then it gets passed back to the Council.

When the bill gets back to the Council, they can override it with a two-thirds majority vote.

The Reactions

Borough President Claire Shulman

"I believe they’re doing the wrong thing by attempting to overturn the current term limit laws. It should go back to the public as another referendum. I don’t know if it’s all self-serving legislation – of the councilmembers I’ve spoke to, it really seems some of them truly are thinking about the future of the city."

Mayor Rudy Giuliani (Feb. 12 City Hall press conference)

"I haven’t really thought about the bill to overturn term limits. I usually wait until legislation passes to decide whether I will veto something. I’ll wait until the bill is presented to me and we will have a hearing first.

"I support term limits for executive decisions. I supported both referendums. I do, however, think the limit for New York City should be three terms. It will be very difficult for the new mayor with a nearly entirely new City Council."

Council member Julia Harrison (For) - Elected 1985

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"Term limits are bad for city. I have people asking me ‘why don’t you run again?’ Well, I’m not running again. That’s not why I’m doing this. I am speaking from conviction. Term limits upset the occurrence of normal elections and stunts the voter’s rights for preferences. The incumbents don’t always have to win. For God’s sake, the city matches every dollar raised four to one. I am scared about the possible effect on the city. Term limits have cities in constant states of being upset.

"Here, you are losing 36 councilmembers including their support and research staff, borough presidents, the comptroller and mayor. That cannot bode well for the operations of the city. The jobs will now be in the hands of neophytes."

Councilman Walter McCaffrey (For) - Elected 1985

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"I don’t think we need an explanation to explain why we are looking to overturn the current term limit laws. As far is it being self-serving legislation, it’s not because I don’t plan on running again. Term limits are undemocratic. It is unfortunate, but many individuals do not understand the concept of what this will do to the city. I am optimistic about the chances of it passing."

 

 

Councilman John Sabini (For) - Elected 1991

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"I am doing this because I think term limits are bad for the city and bad for Queens. It’s bad public policy. Instead of rewarding people for experience they are being punished for it. As far as doing this only to save my job, I’m not going to respond to that because that’s what you guys will write anyway. I had a career before this and I’ll have a career after this."

 

 

Councilmember Juanita Watkins (For) - Elected 1991

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"Term limits are bad public policy. This whole movement for term limits was funded by a million-aire and was voted on after a multi-million dollar campaign. I’m not saying the people are stupid, although many didn’t under-stand it as they thought some councilmembers were exempt."

 

 

 

Councilman Michael Abel (Opposed) - Elected 1991

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"I still haven’t seen a copy of the bill. I’m not too optimistic about the chances of the bill passing. Even though there are 22 sponsors, it all depends on the mayor. If he vetoes it, the Council would need 36 votes to override the veto and I don’t think that would happen. But even if the mayor doesn’t veto, there will be a lengthy court fight and candidates must sign up for campaign finance in May. I’m not in favor of term limits per se, but I’m not favoring this bill because I’m representing the people of my district."

 

Councilman Sheldon Leffler (Opposed) - Elected 1977

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"The principle basis of our government is that sovereignty lies within the people themselves. Norm-ally the elected representatives are the embodiment of this sovereignty. However, a citywide referendum is clearly a greater indicator of the people’s vote than a majority vote of this body. To seek to overturn the people’s will – stated by them twice and by a substantial majority – undermines our role as the people’s representative and casts a cloud of suspicion over our ability to act adequately in the people’s interests. Even more disturbing is that the bill only applies to members of this body and not all the other city representatives who have had their terms limited by the city. This gives the appearance the bill is merely self-serving."

Councilman Tom Ognibene (Opposed) - Elected 1991

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"I wouldn’t vote in favor of over-turning the current term limit laws. Although I think it’s a failed system, the people have spoken. It would be a terrible mistake if passed. End of story."

 

 

 

 

Councilwoman Karen Koslowitz (Unsure) - Elected 1991

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"My gut reaction to the bill to overturn term limits was no, and that is where I still stand. I am opposed to term limits as policy but I would feel a little uncomfortable overturning the will of my constituents. Others have said people in their district didn’t vote in favor – I don’t know if that’s true or not. "

 

 

 

Councilman Morton Povman (Unsure) - Elected 1971

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"Now that the mayor is entertaining supporting the bill to overturn term limits again, I’m not sure how I’d vote right now. If the mayor signs the bill, so will I. I’m looking to the mayor for guidance as far as this is concerned."

The following did not respond to Tribune calls requesting comment after the bill was introduced. However, before last week’s discus-sion of the bill, these Queens councilpeople told the Tribune:

 

Council Speaker Peter Vallone (Opposed) - Elected 1973

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The public has spoken twice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Council member Helen Marshall (For) - Elected 1991

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"I think it’s bad public policy – I would welcome the opportunity to overturn term limits."

 

 

 

 

 

Councilman Al Stabile (For) - Elected 1993

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"I’m voting in favor of the bill to overturn term limits. I would have liked to have seen it staggered in the 1996 referendum. Removing all 36 council members is an injustice to New York City. There will be no Peter Vallone to teach the new guys what’s going on, no one with that much seniority. I also worry about my district – I hope the next guy does a good job."

 

Councilman Archie Spigner (Opposed) - Elected 1973

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"I’m clearly opposed to term limits as public policy, I think it’s a bad one. I would be reluctant to join any bill to overturn term limits because of the poor prospects of it passing. With time running out, a lot of people are facing reality right now."

 

 

 

Councilman Thomas White Jr. (For) - Elected 1991

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"Women, Blacks and Latinos have reached a position of power in the City Council, maybe even dominance. Now that it’s our turn, the rules change in the middle of the game. Term limits take the right of the people to vote for who they want out of their hands. By supporting a bill to overturn term limits, I’m representing my district. They didn’t vote for it."

 

 

Term Limits & The Law

By NICK BUGLIONE

Legal question marks surround the efforts of 22 council members seeking to quash a referendum the people voted in favor of to establish two-term limits on city elected officials.

While some experts believe it to be within the City Council’s bounds to overturn the referendum, others do not view the issue as cut and dry.

"Subject to being pre-cleared, I think it can be done," said lawyer Larry Mandelker, chair of the election law committee of the Association of the Bar of New York City.

According to Mandelker, the Council can repeal the referendum, however federal officials, under the Voting Rights Act, must first approve their proposal.

Passed in 1965, the Voting Rights Act states that change in voting practice or procedure must first be submitted for approval by the Justice Department.

"They then decide whether the effect of this elimination of term limits will have a discriminatory impact on minority voters," said Mandelker, adding that though the Council has not yet done so he believes "that this bill will be submitted for pre-clearance."

However, political analyst and publisher of the Legislative Gazette Alan Chartock disagreed that the impending repeal would fall under the Voting Rights Act.

Stating that the legality of the bill is "murky," Chartock could not comment on whether a lawsuit seeking to overturn a possible repeal would be viable.

"I don’t know," said Chartock, adding that the wording of the approved term limit referendum is at the heart of the issue. "Most referenda are set up with a back door so that if it is passed legislature, if they have the guts, can [repeal] it."

He went on to note that while overturning referenda often has no legal implications, the political risk is substantial.

"I always knew it would come to this," said Chartock. "There is nothing more salient to a politician than keeping his or her job."

Nevertheless, New Yorkers for Term Limits—the motivating organization behind the referendum—along with principal backer and cosmetic mogul Ronald Lauder are gearing up to file suit should the Council’s bill pass.

"We’re fully preparing for a lawsuit," said Jeanine Kemm, spokeswoman for New Yorkers for Term Limits. "We would hope the will of one million New Yorkers who cast votes in two elections for this would prevail over the level headed thinkers in the Council."

Kemm added that the organization has already obtained lawyers, and feels that they have a legitimate chance of winning a lawsuit. "We’ll do whatever it takes to defend the will of one million people."

The City Council maintains that the referendum will have a negative impact on voters, particularly minorities whose term-limited representatives have gained seniority and committee chairs.

Excerpts Of The Term Limits Legislation

Int. No. 880

By Council Members Michels, Marshall, Linares, Perkins, Lopez, Sabini, Clarke, Cruz, Eisland, Freed, Harrison, Henry, Lasher, Malave-Dilan, McCaffrey, Robinson, Robles, Stabile, Warden, Watkins, White and Wooten.

Be it enacted by the Council as follows:

Section 1. Legislative findings and intent. The City Council has reviewed and considered the Charter provision imposing artificial term limits on councilmembers and hereby finds that serious unintended consequences would result from its implementation. Specifically, under the current Charter, voters in up to 35 council districts would be denied the right to vote for their incumbent councilmembers, while voters in 16 council districts would be able to vote for incumbent members. As a result of this scheme, a significant number of senior members including the Speaker and all committee chairs would be arbitrarily removed from office at the same time. The impact of this forced exodus falls heavily on "minority" voters and the "minority" communities of the City, whose representatives have gained seniority and committee chairs and other leadership positions in recent years as a result of changes made in compliance with the Voting Rights Act and similar legislation.

The Council further finds that artificial term limits for legislators would serve no useful purpose since elections themselves provide the voters with a full opportunity to reject or retain incumbent officeholders. Term limits would deprive the electorate of the right to democratically elect local representatives of its own choosing.

The Council further finds that the Charter’s artificial term limits provisions would cause the wholesale dumping of the "institutional memory" and long-term perspective of the City Council . . .

The Council acknowledges that term limits were adopted pursuant to a public referendum and that such enactments should not be lightly overturned or modified; however, the Council is equally mindful that it has a duty under the United States Constitution, the New York State Constitution and the City Charter to consider the fundamental interests of all the people and to ensure that the right of each individual voter to cast a ballot for a candidate of his or her choice is preserved . . .

Section 2. Section 1137 of the New York City Charter, as added by vote of the electors on November 2, 1993, is amended to read as follows:

§1137. Public policy. It is hereby declared to be the public policy of the city of New York to limit to not more than eight consecutive years the time elected officials can serve as mayor, public advocate, comptroller[,] and borough president [and council member] so that these elected representatives are "citizen representatives" who are responsive to the needs of the people and are not career politicians.

Section 3. Section 1138 of the New York City Charter, as added by vote of the electors on November 2, 1993, is amended to read as follows:

§1138. Term limits. Notwithstanding any provision to the contrary contained in this charter, no person shall be eligible to be elected to or serve in the office of mayor, public advocate, comptroller[,] or borough president [or council member] if that person had previously held such office for two or more full consecutive terms [(including in the case of council member at least one four-year term)], unless one full term or more has elapsed since that person last held such office; provided, however, that in calculating the number of consecutive terms a person has served, only terms commencing on or after January 1, 1994 shall be counted.

Section 4. This local law shall take effect immediately.

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